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Glossary

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  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
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  • Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually – a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
  • Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
  • You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.

The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted.

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Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

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Archives of posted stories: Wikipedia:In the news/Posted/Archives

Sections

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This page contains a section for each day and a sub-section for each nomination. To see the size and title of each section, please expand the following section size summary.

September 1

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September 1, 2025 (2025-09-01) (Monday)

Business and economy

August 31

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August 31, 2025 (2025-08-31) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

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2025 Afghanistan earthquake

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Article: 2025 Afghanistan earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A magnitude-6.0 earthquake strikes Afghanistan leaving over 250 people dead. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

 ArionStar (talk) 22:53, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support. Entire villages destroyed with the death toll possibly in the hundreds. The number of casualties is already 135, including 20 fatalities. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 01:03, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It’s not a good year in Afghanistan. ArionStar (talk) 01:29, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t think any year since 2000 has been good for the Middle East. EF5 01:31, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Jordan seems stable. But we added tragic blurb about Iran, Iraq, Syria, Israel and Palestine over the years.ArionStar (talk) 01:41, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Jordan has been involved in at least 3 different wars since 2000 and the 2005 Amman bombings happened in that timeframe, so even they aren’t totally stable. Anyways, that’s aside the point. EF5 02:39, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose till death toll rises. I hate to invoke if it bleeds, it leads, but 20 deaths simply isn’t enough when compared to other earthquakes posted. EF5 01:22, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see the death tlll has risen to 250, but that claim is supported by a TRT World article and given its neutrality has been questioned before I’m not comfortable supporting till a better citation is found. EF5 02:35, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
BNO News reported it. Anadolu Agency reported that the number 250 was told to them by the Information Ministry (the post). Bloxzge 025 (talk) 02:58, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Iirc Anadolu Agency is an unreliable source as it is a state-run propaganda machine, and BNO got the number from TRT. Neither are reliable. EF5 03:03, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A Pakistani official just said over 300 people died. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 03:37, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Edit: NBC News is now reporting Taliban officials confirmed the 250 number. Source. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 03:59, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, quality looks good and it's obviously a very major earthquake in a war-torn country. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 02:39, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

August 30

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August 30, 2025 (2025-08-30) (Saturday)

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RD: Lee Roy Jordan

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Article: Lee Roy Jordan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former NFL player, needs a little bit more work. Natg 19 (talk) 20:47, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Andriy Parubiy

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Article: Andriy Parubiy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian Kyiv Independent
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former chairman/speaker of the Verkhovna Rada, the Ukrainian parliament. Article currently is being heavily updated. 5.57.243.123 (talk) 10:34, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, blurb? Андрій ЯЧ (talk) 13:17, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No. There is no or minor impact only in the Ukraine or in the world. Editors would likely to oppose on blurb and RD will be fine. ROY is WAR Talk! 13:38, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
*Not ready. His DoB and PoB is unsourced. The article's education section is entirely unsourced. Two sentences remain unsourced in the article's career section. The article also has an orange tag. There is no mention of his political activities after his tenure as chairman of the Verkhovna Rada ended in 2019 (from 2019 until 2025). The article seems fine otherwise, just not ready yet in this state.
ErktheBerserker (talk) 15:48, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ready. The concerns I raised have been addressed.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ErktheBerserker (talk • contribs) 10:55, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Assassination of Andriy Parubiy Андрій ЯЧ (talk) 09:27, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

August 29

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August 29, 2025 (2025-08-29) (Friday)

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Disasters and accidents

  • A severe weather system in Greater Poland causes heavy rainfall, thunderstorms, and strong winds, triggering the evacuation of an office building in Poznań due to flooding. A tornado later forms in the vicinty of Gniezno. No injuries are reported. (TVP Info)

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2025 Samoan general election

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Article: 2025 Samoan general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Samoa United in Faith wins an absolute majority in the 2025 Samoan general election, while Prime Minister Fiamē Naomi Mataʻafa's Samoa Uniting Party is reduced to three seats. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Samoa United in Faith wins an absolute majority in the 2025 Samoan general election.
News source(s): [1], [2]
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Notable as a national election that will almost certainly result in a change in leadership. Results are provisional; could potentially post in a few days when they're finalised. PtolemyXV (talk) 20:14, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rodion Shchedrin

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Article: Rodion Shchedrin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Gramophone
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Leading classical composer of the Soviet Union, but then also for decades leader for new music in Russia, known for ballets such as Carmen Suite and Anna Karenina, because his wife was a ballerina of the Bolshoi Theatre, many commissions from the United States. The article was poor and tagged for multiple issues. It could still grow but at least I think that it's referenced now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) August 2025 Indonesian protests

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Article: August 2025 Indonesian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Protests in Indonesia occured over a housing allowance hike for parliament members and the death of a motorcycle taxi driver. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Protests in Indonesia erupt over increased benefits and salaries given to parliament members.
News source(s): New York Times, ABC, Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article updated

 Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:01, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comment They have burned multiple Transjakarta bus shelters in Jakarta and the South Sulawesi Regional House of Representative office building in Makassar over the last 4-5 hours as I am writing this. You may add these info to the altblurb if a credible and verified english language news article write about this. SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 17:01, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Done It was added in two separate sections. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:46, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The protests are tens of thousands strong, but No Kings reached five million and wasn't posted. (And No Kings didn't create lasting change.) Barring a major escalation past what has already been seen (sustained protest, a Tiananmen-style incident, a revolution, etc.) I would oppose this appearing. Bremps... 17:15, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Citing Masem above: "we try to not to justify posting or not posting due to posting or not posting something similar", but assuming that's not a problem, I believe that No Kings is mostly spontaneous, peaceful, and had no clear goals or escalation? (Rather than trying to reach a goal, it's more of a movement to portray this guy as a "king") This one's the opposite of the No Kings protest with the chaos that ensued. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:20, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bremps, I would like to point out that in my previous comment above yours directly, an entire local government office was burned. Here is a new English news source for that incident: https://voi.id/en/a/510126
If you don’t trust that, here is one from a credible local Indonesian news source, but please use a translator service to read it: https://news.detik.com/berita/d-8086836/kebakaran-gedung-dprd-makassar-1-orang-tewas-usai-terjebak-di-lantai-4/amp
This is not comparable to the No Kings protests which definitely was not as violent as this. SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 17:35, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Acknowledged, but I would like to note that political arsons are more common than suggested. This year, the New Mexico GOP's HQ was burned, an ICE office was burned, and the Pennsylvania Governor's residence was burned in the US alone. (Not to mention the national legislature arsons in Liberia and Georgia last year.) Bremps... 18:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to count solely by the number, in just a single day more than a dozen of official parliament residence, buildings, and police offices were torched by the mobs all across the country simultaneously. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 02:53, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly suggest reading WP:NPA, WP:AGF, and striking the The standard for wikipedia editors are so low portion of your comment. EF5 19:03, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some thoughts. These are the mainpages of the news outlets by the time I was writing this comment: CNA, Deutsche Welle, AP News, Reuters, Al Jazeera, BBC. And per Masem - defining how new outlets are counted as a international headlines are discriminative - most of them cater to a different audience (for example one of the news outlets you mentioned has a mainpage consisted of only Trump-and-Musk glazing]. And regarding impact - don't you think impacts are too early to think about? We've posted accidents here solely due to the high body count, with the government not even moving an inch to get things right in the future. Does that count as something that's not (yet to be) impactful? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 19:10, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree and would like to apologize for the “low standard” comment that is very subjective. We can disagree on nomination procedure, but my comment about the standard was out of line and was made during the heat of the moment.
That said, I still stand with my statement that “not first page result = not notable” comment, as it is still covered by multiple reliable sources and still is a massive event, just like the protests in Turkey, Georgia, and Serbia earlier this year, which was also nominated. SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 05:12, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, just as some editors below also commented, news result and therefore notability is very subjective and can be different for every person, depending on their IP location. SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 05:15, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously advice Symphony here to retract/strike the WP:PERSONALATTACK. Remember Wikipedia:Comment on content, not on the contributor and in this case Jusdafax's comment was clearly made in good faith. Please be more careful in the future. Gotitbro (talk) 05:37, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We have zero requirement for news to be on the front page, and even discourage that as a merit given how news sites will deliver different content based on geolocation and other factors. Masem (t) 19:04, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So far the arguments from both sides are 1) Support: impactful, similar to previously posted protests, credible sources, main page worthy, talking point of almost all Indonesians 2) Oppose: no impact, previous protests with more protesters aren't posted, no mentions on headlines of international news outlets. Hope this is steelmanning. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 19:15, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If an uninvolved admin would be so kind to give their own assesment on the current state of discussion I'd be very grateful ---- Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 19:40, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, seems to have been an edit conflict. Sorry for removing it. EF5 19:24, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, but this situation with the personal attack should be resolved. Jusdafax (talk) 19:31, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Already removed, apologies @Jusdafax SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 06:35, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A couple observations: First, removing the comment was not what I had requested. I had asked that it be struck. Removing the personal attack makes it difficult to assess what was being objected to. Second, you leave standing a bolded False Reasoning heading, implying as a fact either that I’m lying or mentally incompetent. I’d like to request you to strike that, not delete it. And lastly, your personal attack was egregious, so much so that other editors took note and also objected. Only then was your attack removed by you and your minimal apology tendered, which frankly, I find insufficient, but will accept. My advice is to walk away from the keyboard when you feel the urge to make a personal attack. You’ll be doing yourself a favor. Best wishes, Jusdafax (talk) 03:37, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Paetongtarn Shinawatra removed from office

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Article: Paetongtarn Shinawatra (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Prime Minister of Thailand Paetongtarn Shinawatra is removed from office by the Constitutional Court of Thailand for ethical misconduct over leaked phone calls she had with former Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera CNN
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Article updated

 Tofusaurus (talk) 09:36, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: She's head of government, not head of state. The king is the head of state. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:44, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm talking about the removal/resignation of ceremonial head of state/government in general, BTW. 𝗠𝗼𝗿𝗮𝗹𝗷𝗮𝘆𝗮𝟲𝟳 (talk). 09:59, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • The court routinely dismisses politicians; it's what it's there for – to ensure that the conservative elites – the military and royalists – maintain control. Listening to the BBC bulletin just now, they described Thailand as a fake democracy. We should not take such shams at face value and mislead readers into supposing that there is true democracy and rule of law there. To really understand what's going on, see explainers such as SCMP. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:02, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Unless we have a wide agreement across RSes that Thailand is a fake democracy (eg akin to how Russia and North Korea are generally portrayed), we shouldn't be trying to take that stance as factual. The SCMP article only points out that there's a rift between the Shinawatra family and the military/royalists over how to run the country. Masem (t) 13:23, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not the one wanting to post a credulous claim on the main page. But I've already cited a couple of sources. And there's lots more out there. I like this analysis which explains the problem and gives Thailand as a leading example, "everyone pretends to be a democracy now, even the totalitarian dictators. ... This dynamic is on display now in Thailand ... it’s the most coup-prone country in the world over the last century ... This is the modus operandi of counterfeit democracies: make changes that ensure that you can have elections without real democracy. Rig the elections if you must, or, better yet, make them meaningless. Just in case your rivals get into power, fill the courts with loyalists...". Andrew🐉(talk) 16:22, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    A random blog is not a reliable source. And while the point is taken that if you have a standard three-body government (legislature, executive, judicial) and fill 2 of those three with people behind a common cause, that can weaken the idea of democracy (much less all 3), but the democracy is still there, in constast to what Russia and N. Korea claim but where one person has full control and experts agree the elections are far from free or fair. Masem (t) 16:59, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Freedom House map as of 2023.
  Free
  Partly Free
  Not Free
  • That's not a random blog as the author is "Professor of Global Politics at University College London", is specifically familiar with Thailand and so is a subject-matter expert.
And there are others who study these things systematically such as Freedom House who rate Thailand as "Not Free", along with North Korea and Russia. (see map)
Andrew🐉(talk) 19:46, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a big political change to officially remove the head of government. Worthy of posting. NewishIdeas (talk) 16:38, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's like an impeachment process. ArionStar (talk) 18:18, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on article quality. Substantial article expansion to address this event is required. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:42, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support head of government change. Scuba 01:56, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support While the removal occured in July, we did not feature it then with the formal process now over looks like a good time to feature this. Article quality appears fine to me as well. This would also have been standard ITNR head of government change back in July (stale for that now). Assertions of 'fake democracy' et. al. as such don't really stand, the monarch has no real power and while the military asserts major power as an institution, the prime minister still is still the one running the country regardless of the number of coups against them (the reason they need to be couped in the first place), this really has no bearing on the INT nom. Gotitbro (talk) 06:10, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Prime Minister isn't running the country – there isn't one now and the court keeps dismissing any holders of this office – this is the fifth such dismissal since 2008. See How anti-democracy activism shapes Thailand’s autocracy "...drawn on Thailand as an extreme case whose historical roots of authoritarianism, consolidated anti-system elites, protracted polarisation, and extensive repression configure the unique development of authoritarian civil society". Andrew🐉(talk) 10:54, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even if the fact that there's "powers that be" that were above the PM position, the PM is still responsible for policymaking and leading the government. So I don't think it would be fair to simply dismiss this as a "puppet change". NotKringe (talk) 11:39, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(REVIEWS NEEDED) RD: Mufti Kifayatullah

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Article: Mufti Kifayatullah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tribune
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: a former member of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Assembly and senior JUI-F religious and political leader. Ainty Painty (talk) 04:13, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

August 28

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August 28, 2025 (2025-08-28) (Thursday)

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(Posted) August 2025 Israeli attacks on Yemen

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Articles: August 2025 Israeli attacks on Yemen (talk · history · tag) and Ahmed al-Rahawi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Strikes conducted by the Israeli Air Force targeting several ministers of the Houthi–led government of Yemen kill dozen of people in Sanaa, including prime minister Ahmed al-Rahawi. (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

Article updated

 ArionStar (talk) 22:40, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please remember to include sources in your nominations. Masem (t) 22:47, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Gary Didier Perez

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Article: Gary Didier Perez (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Nouvelliste
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Haitian musician. Just created the article, fully sourced. Mooonswimmer 03:54, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted as part of blurb) RD: Ahmed al-Rahawi

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Posted as part of blurb. Curbon7 (talk) 22:06, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Ahmed al-Rahawi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR The New York Times BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: He was Prime Minister of Yemen QalasQalas (talk) 13:01, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb about the Israeli strike itself (28 August 2025 Israeli attack on Yemen) would be appropriate!Wi1-ch (talk) 18:38, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Abo Yemen today Houthi confirmed his death. QalasQalas (talk) 20:41, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Mike de Leon

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Article: Mike de Leon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone Philippines Rappler
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino director. ROY is WAR Talk! 10:20, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready yet -- a few statements lacking citations. I've added tags. Support per good work done below by Royiswariii UndercoverClassicist T·C 10:55, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
UndercoverClassicist Done. ROY is WAR Talk! 11:37, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The quote An eminent filmmaker of the so-called Second Golden Age of Philippine cinema in the lead is lifted almost verbatim from the source, which is in any case an interview, and so pretty dubious for the esteem in which its interviewee is held -- the writer has an obvious interest in presenting their subject as worth interviewing! UndercoverClassicist T·C 11:52, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done. I also credited Film Comment on the quote. ROY is WAR Talk! 12:00, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As above -- that source is not independent, given the clear conflict of interest. UndercoverClassicist T·C 12:25, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I guess need to be remove now, right? ROY is WAR Talk! 12:27, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That claim needs a reliable source, if that's what you mean, which can't entirely be one that has a commercial interest in its being true. We also need to make sure that what we end up with isn't copyvio. UndercoverClassicist T·C 12:34, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I forgot, it was mentioned by Rolling Stone Philippines above the news soruce: De Leon’s works eventually became one of the pillars of Philippine cinema, emerging from the Second Golden Age, alongside the works of Brocka and Ishmael Bernal ROY is WAR Talk! 12:39, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(REVIEWS NEEDED) RD: Takaya Hashi

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Article: Takaya Hashi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ANN, Sponichi Annex
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Japanese voice actor; the New York Times once called him one of the best. ミラP@Miraclepine 17:08, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

August 27

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(REVIEWS NEEDED) RD: Abdellah Liegeon

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Article: Abdellah Liegeon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Progres
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Nominator's comments: Algerian footballer. Mooonswimmer 03:18, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Duke Cunningham

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Article: Duke Cunningham (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The San Diego Union-Tribune
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Nominator's comments: Decorated Vietnam War pilot and convicted U.S. congressman. 240F:7A:6253:1:9094:C046:FBD1:296B (talk) 00:25, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eusebio Poncela

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Article: Eusebio Poncela (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El País
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Spanish actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:986C:6B7A:D6F7:D2BD (talk) 10:01, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Shane Christie

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Article: Shane Christie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff, The Independent
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: New Zealand rugby union player. Sahaib (talk) 10:02, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ad Orientem: it seems ok now. Sahaib (talk) 18:19, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sahaib Still have an unsourced section. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:05, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ad Orientem: done, thanks. Sahaib (talk) 21:31, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks g2g. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:57, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

August 26

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(NEW) Inga Ruginienė, new PM of Lithuania

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Article: Inga Ruginienė (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Inga Ruginienė (pictured) is appointed the new Prime Minister of Lithuania. (Post)
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Nominator's comments: ITNR. Her article looks good: updated, and with content about her career and political positions, citing AGF in the Lithuanian sources. She is expected to be sworn in soon. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:20, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

August 2025 FARC dissidents clashes

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Article: August 2025 FARC dissidents clashes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Clashes between FARC dissidents and the Military Forces of Colombia result in at least 33 deaths, and dozens of injured and soldiers kidnapped. (Post)
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 ArionStar (talk) 01:55, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Purple Aki

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Article: Purple Aki (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Metro Liverpool Echo
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Nominator's comments: Notorious British criminal. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 00:24, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not Ready Not in dreadful shape, but referencing needs some work. This being a controversial figure and recently deceased, BLP still applies. So we need to make sure that everything is properly cited. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:05, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think we should run this, at least not under the name "Purple Aki" -- it's very probably a racially charged nickname ("he's so black, he's purple"). Arobieke was questionably a "public" figure and clearly someone who had a lot of problems: I would question whether it's in good taste to put him one of the world's most visited pages. UndercoverClassicist T·C 11:01, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with above that this should be posted under his real name, if at all. Usually we would avoid nicknames to avoid glamourising criminals like the "Yorkshire Ripper". In this case, he clearly found the nickname unwanted and racially charged. We lose nothing by using the real name. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:59, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I made a move request at Talk:Purple_Aki#Requested_move_29_August_2025 for those who wish to participate. BangJan1999 00:14, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted After mulling it over, I have decided to post this to RD. I was primarily convinced by the quality of the article and the high number of existing pageviews; if he was getting only a few dozen pageviews, I likely would not have posted this as not in good taste. Additionally, I have posted this as his real name Akinwale Arobieke rather than as Purple Aki; while any other admin can change this, I would strongly urge you not to out of respect for the dead against a racist nickname he hated. Curbon7 (talk) 00:55, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Joe Hickerson

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Article: Joe Hickerson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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Nominator's comments: American folk singer, song finder, and musicologist. Death reported 26 August. Thriley (talk) 22:19, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marshall Islands' parliament building fire

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Article: Legislature of the Marshall Islands (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Legislature of the Marshall Islands building (interior pictured) is destroyed by a fire. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Marshall Islands' parliament building is destroyed by a fire.
News source(s): The Guardian, Reuters, The Straits Times
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Nominator's comments: Destruction of a national legislative building. ArionStar (talk) 15:24, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think linking the blurb to the legislature is a bit awkward when the news is about the fire. Is it possible to have a new article being made for the building and for the fire? NotKringe (talk) 18:00, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Considering that the current update on the legislature's article is only two paragraphs, I have my doubts that a standalone article would make sense. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 19:24, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's related to my point above that it seems the story here is the disruption of the govt functions due to loss of records, and less about the loss of the building, so keeping the event as part of the legislature article makes sense Masem (t) 19:34, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - there's a discussion ongoing about the name of the article. Also, the article is about the the legal entity not the building. A brief mention of the building has been tacked on as part of this. If the subject is notable, shouldn't there be a stand alone article about the building - which we see for most national, sub-national, and even some sub-sub-national buildings. Nfitz (talk) 20:15, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't see how a proposed name change affects a news story's qualifications for ITN, unless there's a policy I'm unfamiliar with. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 20:36, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Focus on the other part of my comment then. The assembly didn't set on fire. The building that we have no article about did. Nfitz (talk) 02:10, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Only orange or red tags (quality issues or target page nominated for deletion) affect a page's eligibility for ITN, but not things like suggested renames.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:36, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: per all keeps argument. ROY is WAR Talk! 23:11, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I'm unconvinced that a fire in a building which we didn't (and still don't) have an article about rises to the level of ITN; and whilst there have been news stories printed about it, is it really in the news? Black Kite (talk) 23:22, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, it is covered by major news media. ArionStar (talk) 01:39, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, it was, but I'd say only in a minor way. Black Kite (talk) 13:04, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Has enough sources and looks fine to me. The destruction of any countries national legislative building should be covered by ITN. NewishIdeas (talk) 00:57, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    A country's national legislative building should have an article. There wasn't even a description of it last week, and barely nothing now. If there was an article, I'd move my oppose. Nfitz (talk) 02:10, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Keep in mind the size of the Marshall Islands (in the 40,000 range), and the size of this gov't was only 33 people. Most urban cities around the world have far larger gov't bodies, and their local govt building isn't necessary notable. Nothing I've seen in any sources go to any great depth about the building outside of it being in the fire and now unusable, no historiy, no architect, nothing. I cannot see how this building would be notable at all, hence why all this, for it to be a good ITN candidate, should be around the disruption to the gov't functions , the govt being notable already. Masem (t) 12:08, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Then is a local government building fire itself notable? WIth only 33 people they can meet just about anywhere. Nfitz (talk) 15:46, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    This is the building for the National Legislature of a country: The Marshall Islands. No matter how small the country, the burning down of its national legislative building should be covered. Not to mention they also lost their library and archives, which is pretty devastating. NewishIdeas (talk) 17:42, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Definitely an important and newsworthy event, with appropriate editing done to update the article properly. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:01, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Was going to nominate this myself. A national legislature being burnt down (while in session), exactly the content that ITN should post. There is no requirement for a standalone article. Gotitbro (talk) 02:55, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lean Support, per above, though I'd also love if we were to get a full article on this first. Feels too significant of an event to not have a standalone article. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:03, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Impressive update to the article, and the kind of subject that ITN can use more of. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:41, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for three reasons. Firstly, there are no victims. Secondly, the building wasn't historically significant. Thirdly, the legislature wasn't dissolved as a result.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:44, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I know this isn't strictly a requirement, but for me I can't consider this for posting in the absence of an article specifically covering the fire. If the event can't even muster the notability levels to warrant a WP:NOPAGE exception, that is a massive red flag. Either it needs an article, to satisfy WP:ITNQUALITY (not existing is a pretty major fail for quality in an article), or it's implicitly not notable enough.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:54, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Not every event needs a separate article, nor should we be encouraging that. Event articles should only be created for events that will have long lasting significance. But that doesn't mean that an ITN item requires a sepearate article as long as the update is significant, which in this case the update is rather thin. Masem (t) 14:47, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    As per WP:NOTNEWS, I think it makes more sense for us to feature established articles that are in the news, rather than newly created news-specific articles. We're featuring how quickly we can update our encyclopedic topics to match the latest events. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:54, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Absolutely this. We should be looking for our best articles related to topics in the news. Indeed, I would prefer not not see articles about events featured on ITN. Jahaza (talk) 14:57, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    No, we feature articles about news stories. I get that some stories are tightly tied up with a wider topic and don't warrant separate pages, but that doesn't apply here. If it's a fire it's an article on the fire that's posted per past precedent, e.g. Notre Dame fire . It's absurd to suggest that we should post this under the parliament page (not even an article on the building) just because nobody has bothered to create an article for it. Masem says above that "Event articles should only be created for events that will have long lasting significance" but that's pretty much the same criterion we use for posting on the first place. So no, this is a firm oppose until and article is created, then I'll reevaluate. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:04, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    No, we feature articles about news stories. That needs to be phrased more carefully. Per the project page, the idea is to feature "articles providing readers the context behind the news" rather than always articles specifically about the news. And it's sufficient that the article contain "a five-sentence update (with at minimum three references, not counting duplicates)". I'm leaning oppose on this being posted to ITN, because the article is now kind of unbalanced, but it doesn't need to be an article about the event at all, it just needs to be updated in response to the event. Jahaza (talk) 15:14, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Conceding occasional exceptions, there is a longstanding rough consensus that ITN exists to promote good quality articles where the EVENT is the focus of the page. It's not carved in stone, and I have supported some pretty commonsense exceptions over the years. But blurbs about events that are not the focus of a stand alone article, are the exception. FWIW I am neutral on this nomination. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:18, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not really true, though. Our requirement in the guidelines is that the topic is in the news and the article is up to quality, and importantly here, has a siginifant update to reflect why it's in the news. Sometimes this is best done with a new article like for most major natural disasters, but many of our itncs are just a paragraph or so update to an exist article article)(particularly with most death blurbs). We should not be discriminating ITNC for not being a separate article, unless it us clear that the event normally is best covered in a separate article, typically when we know there are long term effects (like disasters). We have a larger problem beyond ITNC that editors are rushing to create event articles instead of expanding an existing one without clear awareness if long term impact from the encyclopedic side of things. Masem (t) 15:53, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with what Ad Orientem said. History shows that most blurbed events have articles. Whether it's enshrined in the guidelines or not, it's a de facto standard, at least for this sort of event (other topics might vary). My argument here isn't really a procedural one about whether it's allowed or not, it's just noting how weird it is to think a topic passes the high bar for appearing on ITN while simultaneously not passing the bar for having a standalone article. You also opposed this nomination, so in a sense we're in agreement – I suspect that if your conditions for posting were to be met (deaths, injuries, loss of a historical building etc) then a standalone article on the fire would be pretty much guaranteed.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:12, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe because of the lack of nominations that aren't disasters or items at ITNR, but sure a lot of recent (past year) it posts had standalone articles. But that has never been a requirement and biases against things like, for example, the new supernova type item below. We are not "news", but "in the news", and a substantial update based on news reports to some article is all that is required. Masem (t) 18:04, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and de-mark as “ready” - the building of a very small country burns down (no offense to any Marshall Island residents); they can reconvene elsewhere. Not as significant as the Notre Dame, which even I would have probably opposed. EF5 15:55, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The burning of Notre Dame was what ITN should post. This is why nothing gets posted here unless it's... the bombing of Notre Dame or it being blown over by a storm or PSG playing for the Champions League in it, I suppose? Howard the Duck (talk) 17:49, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    No, not at all. The Notre Dame was an incredibly historic and famous building - the legislative building of the Marshall Islands? Not so much. If the Althing building burnt down or Kenya's government headquarters, I would support a blurb - Iceland has a population of over 350,000 and Kenya over 1,000,000. It's not a matter of whether things are Anglospheric or not.EF5 17:52, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    To be sure, you've stated that you "would have probably opposed" Notre Dame, and while people on the Notre Dame nomination of 2019 were crying that there were no updates (due to edic conflicts LOL), it was universally accepted that it will be posted once there was a suitable update. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:58, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per others. Thought of nominating it myself but was at work. Article has been nicely enhanced since I looked at it this morning - thanks to all updaters! Khuft (talk) 20:11, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I think the current image is irrelevant to the event and superfluous since it's not descriptive of what has happened. Not every blurb needs an image if it's not meaningfully depicts the event itself or the subject of the blurb. 5.57.243.123 (talk) 21:35, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The picture depicts the main session room, which was destroyed too. ArionStar (talk) 22:04, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Perhaps, but it doesn't meaningfully illustrate either the subject itself (the building) or the event, like how just an image of the House Chamber isn't particularly useful to depict the U.S. Capitol building as a whole or how an image inside of Notre Dame isn't particularly useful to the blurb about it burning compared the one used for the blurb. The main session room is not the main subject of the blurb. 5.57.243.123 (talk) 22:32, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose A building that doesn't even have its own article, and it housed a government in a nation of under 50,000 people, and there were no casualties. Besides losing some records, what's the impact?
If you simply do a news search for "Marshall Islands", Reuters is the only major news source outside of Oceania that reported on it at all, and half the articles are about the MI football team making their international debut two weeks ago. -- Kicking222 (talk) 22:31, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reuters is the only major news source outside of Oceania that reported on it at all is not accurate, the first source cited is The Guardian, and I also relied heavily on The Straits Times (considered Singapore's paper of record, sufficiently "major") to update the target article. Note that neither of those outlets are based out of Oceania. The Oceanian sources (outlets based in Australia and New Zealand) only account for about half of the citations in the update.
But this comment also incorrectly assumes that outlets from the same broad continental region don't count, i.e. it doesn't count if ABC News (Australia) reports on what happens in the Marshall Islands, but presumably it would count if ABC News (United States) reported the same story? We like to see international coverage, but we do not dismiss outlets from any countries that share a continent (to the extent that Oceania is a continent) in determining notability.
 Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:10, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Guardian ran the Reuters story.[3], which is logical since the odds that they would have a reporter in the Marshall Islands is low. However, the fact that they ran the wire service story shows their interest. Jahaza (talk) 23:22, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Republication of wire stories do not count towards considering breadth of coverage (they wouldn't count for notability either). Masem (t) 12:05, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lean oppose since the building doesn't have its own article This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:47, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support notability as the parliament building of a sovereign nation but oppose on quality as the target article is for the legislative body and not the building itself. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:19, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The update to the target article is up to about three paragraphs now. If any more information comes out / the article is expanded any further, it would probably be warranted to split it off into a decent-enough start-class article about the event itself as to not take up so much space on the page about the legislature.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 13:14, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Again, we really need to be thinking of how this is going to be seen in the long term and not the short term news-y view, and under that, there is nothing remarkable about this fire except for the loss of records and thus the disruption of functioning of the Marshall Islands legislature, which is what we should be focusing on. There is zero need to create a separate article to cover that for ITN, as well as against NOT#NEWS. This is a long standing problem that we across WP are far too focused on writing present events like news rather than as encyclopedic content. Masem (t) 13:24, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Right now I would agree there is no need to split it off into an event page, but if enough additional information comes out that a WP:SPLIT would be justified, then an article existing would be justified regardless of whether it's ever posted to ITN. If enough RS cover a country's capitol burning down that a decent-quality Wikipedia article can be written about it, that doesn't fail any bullet points in WP:NOTNEWS: it's not original reporting, it's not routine, it's not a who's who, it's not celebrity gossip. NOTNEWS never meant "don't cover the news." If there are any bytes of the update that are unencyclopedic, you're always welcome to let me know on the article talk page with whatever policy or guideline explains why this or that should be changed.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 13:37, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    But related to NOTNEWS is NEVENT, where we have to look to the long term coverage of the news to determine if a sepearate article is needed. And given all we know right now, the building g itself was not historically significant, no one was hurt, so the only long term effect is going to be on the legislature, so it makes zero sense to split off from a relatively short article for that reason. Again, we need to be thinking how'd we write this up if the event happened 5 or 10 years ago, and atllbsigns right now suggest this will only be seen as a disruption to the functioning of the legislature, and nothing else, so no sepearate article is needed. Writing for the long term is how we avoid being a newspaper. Masem (t) 14:05, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    "Writing for the long term is how we avoid being a newspaper." You alluded to the 10 year test there, but per the text of WP:10YT, the problem with this is way of thinking about notability is that editors writing today do not have a historical perspective on today's events, and should not pretend to have a crystal ball. This is especially true during a news spike, when there is mass interest to create and update articles on a current event, regardless of whether it may be historically significant later on. Above all else, editors should avoid getting into edit wars or contentious deletion discussions when trying to deal with recentism. You might intuitively assume it's insignificant for a nation's parliament and historical documents, including but not limited to its history and its laws, to be destroyed in a fire. Myself and others might disagree. Our intuition does not matter because notability (for an article to exist, not notability for featuring at ITN) is determined purely by the coverage in reliable sources.
    Right now the two of us are more or less litigating an AfD that hasn't happened yet for a page that doesn't exist yet and may or may not ever exist (all depends on if it gets more coverage), but for what it's worth, over time I've noticed that AfD discussions based on NOTNEWS are failing more often as more editors are starting to agree with what I've been saying for years, which is that NOTNEWS does not mean "don't cover the news" and 9 times out of 10 it's not really applicable.
     Vanilla  Wizard 💙 14:45, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The point I'm making is that given all we know about this event says there is zero reason to create a separate article at this time, because we have an existing g article where the event can be covered in a more comprehensive manner. There is no clear indication of cation that NEVENT will be met so making a separate article. NOTNEWS is not about coveraging news but that we are a dynamic resource and should keep articles up to date with news reports, but still need to avoid being like a newspaper, creating articles on the drop of a news report, and why we have NEVENT. Editors need to use far more distrectio before rushing to create articles just because of a couple news stories. And to bring it back to ITN, that means we are not expecting a separate article for an ITNC nominee, only a significant update to some article. This specific event is exactly the case that a sepearate article at this time is not necessary because of how limited the coverage is (which here does not apply to whether this meet the significance requirement). If later sources discussion, say, the history of the building in depth, then an article on the building (covering the event as part of it) would make sense. Or if it's found the fire was purposely set and a major criminal trial was held, then maybe then event us notable. But we need a lot better tempering of the urge to create a separate article here, as that's not required by NOTNEWS and would raise notability questions with NEVENT at this time. Masem (t) 14:59, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    No need for an article about the fire. But it's unusual not to have an article about the Parliament building itself. Nfitz (talk) 13:58, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The argument that "it's unusual not to have an article about the Parliament building itself" does not stand. You can see at the article List of legislative buildings that approxiamtely 40% of national buildings listed are red links. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:17, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see no consensus for posting this. Consensus is very much split. !vote count appears to be 12-12 . Natg 19 (talk) 22:51, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A national parliament building burned down, how is that not unanimous support on principle? Just because English Wikipedia is less thorough on buildings that are located in the non-English speaking world does not mean that the building is without significance. NorthernFalcon (talk) 20:15, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: James Mosley

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Article: James Mosley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Eye Magazine St Bride Foundation, Sébastien Morlighem
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British librarian and major historian of printing. I think the article is fully cited. An anonymous IP added a death notice on 25 August, but 26 August is the earliest date I can find for a death announcement from a reliable source (the French academic Sébastien Morlighem, whose PhD he advised). Blythwood (talk) 11:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Now dealt with. Blythwood (talk) 19:48, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Porepunkah police shootings

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Good faith nom, however consensus to post will not develop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:52, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Porepunkah police shootings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Two police officers in Victoria, Australia, serving a warrant were shot and killed by a self-proclaimed sovereign citizen. (Post)
News source(s): Death knock: From mountain murders to a massive manhunt
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The killing of police officers is rare in Australia. This event is an ongoing national tragedy; the manhunt for the alleged gunman continues. WWGB (talk) 12:24, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • We would not consider this ongoing yet for purposes of ITN (its a developing story in terms of the ongoing manhunt but that's not how we work that here). If this is posted and the story rolls off but the manhunt is still ongoing and in the news, maybe that becomes an ITN ongoing. Masem (t) 12:27, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose - maybe this is just an American mindset, but “two cops die in a shooting” is not remotely significant enough to blurb. Cops are unfortunately shot at all the time; that’s what makes the job so dangerous. EF5 12:35, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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August 25

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August 25, 2025 (2025-08-25) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

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International relations

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Science and technology

RD: Rainer Weiss

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Article: Rainer Weiss (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MIT News
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German-American physicist and 2017 Nobel Prize laureate. 240F:7A:6253:1:C1A7:AB5B:2D05:AF33 (talk) 09:19, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Frank Price

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Article: Frank Price (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former head of Universal Pictures and Columbia Pictures. 240F:7A:6253:1:513A:1811:819A:B833 (talk) 12:05, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Angela Mortimer

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Article: Angela Mortimer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, WTA
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British tennis player, 1961 Wimbledon champion. Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:36, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Flag burning

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Rather than be another oppose, I'm going to WP:SNOW-close this good-faith nomination. The Kip (contribs) 16:48, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Flag desecration (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Donald Trump signs executive order to prosecute burning of the American flag. (Post)
News source(s): CBS The Guardian
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 MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:14, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose globally trivial, ITN-irrelevant. Snow close because this goes nowhere. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:39, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not everything Trump does is ITN-worthy- and this definitely isn't. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:47, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • It being an executive order means it's a very temporary measure, and the article and its update is not very impressive. I don't think criminalizing the destruction of nationalist symbols is that unusual a law for a highly nationalistic government to make. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:56, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose If this ends up in Supreme Court and they overturn Texas v Johnson, that might be something, but at this stage this is really minor on the overall list of stuff Trump has done in office. Masem (t) 12:01, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose but good-faith nomination. I was going to just close this, but I'll defend the nom a little (despite also opposing it) because I don't think this is entirely trivial. There's no requirement for any story to impact the whole world, and this is less "leader signs order" and more "leader doing something they know they can't do, but doing it anyways." While anti-flag-desecration laws are common around the world, in the US there have been many supreme court cases reaffirming that flag burning cannot be banned, so ignoring the courts and ordering the federal government's lawyers to prosecute citizens for entirely legal behavior does not fall under the normal "leader does leader thing" category in the free world. But I'm still leaning more towards oppose because this sort of pushing of the boundaries is normal for this particular leader, and this just seems like the beginning of a legal battle, one which very well could just end in a court blocking the order and the world moving on and forgetting about this incident. Agree with Masem that this would become more significant if the courts end up siding with the administration here as that would be a landmark ruling.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 12:36, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Officially, his order doesn't really have any say since a Supreme Court case allows it as free speech. The Supreme Court of Congress would have to declare or pass a law really to make it illegal. TheCorriynial (talk) 13:27, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It's also important to note that (as far as I can tell), the EO would only make it illegal to burn the flag in a way that would incite a riot/incite violence/unrest. Obviously, it's kinda hard to tell if this will be implemented, and if it is, whether it will implemented in the same way that it says it will be implemented. Gaismagorm (talk) 14:21, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Good faith nom, but this is borderline political trivia compared to a lot of what is coming out of DC these days. -15:38, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
Above comment was mine. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:00, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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